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Wednesday, 10 June 2009
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Girls and Their Guy "Friends"
You know, I really thought it was common knowledge. It's the subject of numerous jokes. But recently, I've seen a lot of girls who can't seem to understand that that "guy friend" they have likes them, or that that situation eventually leads to lots of drama. So I've compiled some of the advice I've given on the subject, hopefully some girl, somewhere, will get it (because the guys already do).
There was one situation where a guy "BFF" kept calling repeatedly when she was out with her BF, interrupting their date. Also, he would always talk shit about her BF (and had bashed the previous BF too).Your "BFF" likes you, and so it's in his best interest to bash whatever boyfriend you happen to have, all under the pretense of being nice and watching out for you. I mean, he's done this with 2 guys and you're still not seeing this?
I'm willing to bet he's never made any effort to become friends with any of your boyfriends, and if that's the case, then this really should be obvious. Friends want to meet, befriend, and get to know the people that are most important in your life, while "friends" are threatened by them.
Or for a personal example, I have a female friend who is dating a guy that's a real jerk, but I would never tell her that, and I am always very friendly with him, and make every effort to get to know him. I'm her friend, and I support her decisions, even if I don't agree with them. Sure, I don't like him, but she does, and that's all that matters. Does your "friend" support you and your decision to be with your boyfriend? Does he even respect your desision? Does he even truly respect you, if he doesn't respect your desicions? Or is it really more about what he wants?
Let's turn this around, and see if it gives you a better perspective. If you went to a movie with your "friend" and your boyfriend called 5 times during the movie, just to say hi. I'm betting your "friend" would tell you that your boyfriend is clingy, needy, and controlling. Sad part is, the way I see it, your boyfriend should be able to get away with calling too much (maybe not 5 times), a friend should not. (When I call my friends, male or female, I call once, I might leave a message if it's important. Usually I just send a quick text instead of calling.) Your "friend" is manipulative and controlling, get rid of him- not for your boyfriend (although I'm sure he'd be grateful), but for yourself. This is really between you and your "friend", your boyfriend is just being dragged into your drama.
Or another situation, where the "guy friend" made his move, the girl turned him down, and they went back to being "just friends". Except that the guy kept making moves. She was angry because she's already told him "No".You need to say NO with your actions, not just your words. When a guy likes you, and you say "I don't like you like that", but you still hang around with him, you're telling him "I don't like you like that right now, but let's spend some more time getting to know each other, and maybe I'll develop an attraction to you, you'll just have to try and make a move again later". So, he's going to make a move later- and another one, and another one...
If a guy likes you, the only way that he's going to get past that is if you tell him "No", and cease contact with him. If at some point at least a couple months down the road you happen to run into each other again (which will probably happen if you have mutual friends), then you can try to be friends again, because at that point he's over you. But you have to be 100% out of his life for a long period of time for him to get over you. As long as you hang out with guys that like you, you're going to find yourself in this situation over and over again.
I realize it's a lot easier to be friends with someone who likes you. They're always nice to you, they'll put up with your shit, will go out of their way to do something nice for you, etc. The difference is, when a guy is friends with a girl who likes him, he makes a decision, either he gives it a shot, or he brushes her off and walks away. To do anything else seems immoral and wrong. Girls delude themselves into thinking that they can be "just friends", and somehow this is okay, and not leading the guy on at all.
I think all of the attractive girls that I'm now friends with, I was attracted to (to some degree) at first. From talking to others, that seems to be normal for most guys. Somehow, they took themselves "off the market", and we later became friends. That may have been that I didn't see them for awhile, or they had a boyfriend when I met them, but for some reason that initial "Wow, she's hot" dissipated, and then we could later become friends. (The sooner the better, before the attraction gets stronger, and there are more hard feelings).
I'm always wary of girls who say "I have a lot of guy friends, girls are just drama/guys are easier to be friends with". (Or even "I still friends with a lot of my exes...) Yeah, it is easier to be friends with someone who likes you, but it also means that you lack the moral kill-switch that says that you're leading these guys on, and that's wrong.
Finally, there was a girl who had a guy who liked her, and so she did back off and push him away, and felt bad because she had lost a friend, and wanted to get that back. (Well, she lost a "friend", not a friend, but she didn't really catch that).
There is no solution. When he started liking you, and made it clear that he was interested in dating you, he sacrificed that friendship. It's gone. You need to stop trying to get that back. Stop trying to be friends again.Once he gets over you, you may be able to start a new friendship, but there are no guarantees about how long that would take. If you were friends for so long, he's probably liked you for awhile (it seems your newly single status gave him the push he needed)- he may never really get over you, especially if he still sees you with your mutual friends. You just have to realize and accept that that friendship that you once had is now gone. He's made his move, and forced your hand, you have to decide what you want. Sometimes he might use a line like: "I would rather be just a friend than not have you in my life at all". This isn't true.
From a guy's perspective, when a girl makes a move, or indicates that she likes us, and we don't return those feelings, the very idea of spending time with that girl, even in a group setting, makes us feel awkward- and so we just naturally avoid the girl. We don't "try to be friends", she's dead to us. If you want to communicate with this guy, you need to speak his language. He's gone.
I wanted to point out from above, that it doesn't matter if the girl is single, or if she has a boyfriend. The guy "friend" leads to drama. It will probably lead to any boyfriend also getting dragged into the mess, but it's really between the girl and her guy "friend".
So girls, thoughts?
Guys:
Have you ever liked a girl and been "friends" with her? Why?
Have you ever dated a girl who had a guy "friend"?
Monday, 25 May 2009
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Busy Weekend
A rather eventful weekend:
Friday started with poker night, I didn't win anything, but everyone had fun. Afterward we went to a bar, and one of the guys worked above the bar, and had keys, so we all went up onto the rooftop, drank, and looked out over the city. It was pretty cool. Then we went to a friend's house and watched a movie. Went to bed at 5am. Woke up at 7am, and went home and took a nap.
Saturday we went to Indy for a friend's birthday, we went shopping for a bit, I bought some new sunglasses. We ate at a nice Chinese place, where the chefs grill at your table. Afterward we went to a club, and this one girl that was with us turned into a major cock-tease. After the club, we went to some friends' house, and I stayed up and talked with a different girl who was with us. We went to bed at 5:30am.
Sunday morning we woke up at 7:30, after 2 hours of sleep. I drove everyone back to Lafayette, where we changed and went canoeing. Afterward, we went to eat at a drive-in hot dog place, then went swimming in the pool, watched a movie, and went to a bonfire.
This weekend I had a good chance to get to know T. T is my friend A's new girlfriend. Usually when she calls, A leaves to go hang out with her, of if she comes with, they go off and do their own thing. In any case, I've never had a chance to hang out with her or get to know her before this weekend. I don't like her. T is nice to the group, T is nice to my face. But T is a bitch.
**There was an event which brought me to the conclusion the T is a bitch. The following is not it, and the following did not happen to me. It is my recreation of what happened after having talked to both A and J as it occurred. (So before the event which caused me to believe that T was a bitch). The following does not form the basis of my opinion, but rather, offers supporting evidence, and provides a background for the event with formed my opinion. It is secondhand evidence, take it as such.**
When we went out to the club, T started dancing with J. J was confused, backed off, and T said "Dance with me, I'm trying to make A jealous". A is pretty social when we go out, and knows a lot of people at the club, while T has never been. I think that T was getting jealous that A was so popular (even though A is totally devoted to T, and she had no reason to be jealous), and wanted to make A jealous by dancing with J. Well, J wouldn't have that, and went and told A what had happened. A confronted T about it, and T told A that J was just jealous of them, and was making it all up. I think this is silly since J is in a relationship and has no reason at all to be jealous.
**The following did happen to me. It is firsthand evidence, take it as such**
When we went to the club A and T went and did their own thing, like they usually do. At 2am, T came to me and told me that A was upset and they wanted to leave. We were staying at K's house a few blocks from the club, and had walked there, so I was confused as to why this was an issue. They wanted to go home to Lafayette, and they wanted me to take them, since I had driven everyone to Indy from Lafayette. I had also driven J and E. Y had also met us there, and was coming back to Lafayette with us. As I was having fun, and it was E's birthday, I wasn't about to gather them all up and call the night short unless it was an emergency. I looked around and saw A leaning up against the wall, alone, looking frustrated, but otherwise okay. This was not an emergency. Also I had had a few drinks when we got to the club, and I never drink and drive. I had not drank at the house before the club- where everyone else drank, and I had not had a drink in the last hour and a half, so legally I might have been okay, and I didn't feel intoxicated, but I still wasn't comfortable with the idea. I like to feel 100% sober for at least an hour before I drive anywhere. Especially if I'm going to be driving all the way back to Lafayette. I told T that I was in no position to drive. I hadn't seen her all night, and she had no idea how many drinks I'd had. She bugged me some more, and then told me "Come on, I know you better than that", implying that even though I was drunk, I could still drive. That ticked me off. I wanted to tell her no, she didn't know me- she hasn't really bothered to, and if she did, she'd know that I don't drive drunk. However, since at this point she was still a friend (because she was A's friend), I told her to ask me again in an hour (thinking the issue would have been resolved or forgotten by then). She left, and I went and asked A what was going on, and after talking to her (which are the events mentioned above), I found and talked to J as well.
At 3am, we began walking to K's house. I was walking with J, A and T were behind me, and Y was getting hit on, E and K were dragging her out, so they took up the rear. A walked up to me and said "Hey, I know you're going to say no, but can T drive your car?" to which I responded "Hell no!". A laughed at my enthusiastic response, said "okay", and went back to T. As we were walking, J and I were talking about getting food, and when we turned back to see if anyone else wanted to go as well, we saw that A and T had fallen back considerably, and E, Y and K were with them. We decided to get food ourselves. At this point, I had felt 100% sober for at least an hour, so I was planning on driving, but when we got to K's house, it was locked, and K and the rest of the group were so far back that we couldn't even see them, so we decided to walk to the store, which was a few blocks away. After picking up some chips at the store, I checked my phone for the time, and saw that I had received 2 voicemails while we were in the store. T had left me two messages demanding I call A "Now!". I one of the messages, she told me that if I didn't get back there now, she was going to steal my car. At that point, I decided that T was a bitch. She made a couple more shitty comments to me, one of which was one the way home when she scoffed and said "yeah right" after A thanked me for driving everyone. Afterward, during the canoe trip and again during the bonfire (A and T didn't join us for lunch, swimming, or the movie), she and A did their own thing, and she acted friendly to everyone, like she usually does, but I still remembered how she was the night before, and I still hold my opinion.
Sunday, 10 May 2009
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My Style of Dating
Over the last couple months, I've been experimenting with meeting people online, in bars, and exploring other avenues of meeting and dating people that I know absolutely nothing about- instead of the usual method of meeting people through friends and groups. I've met a lot of people, hit it off with some, haven't met that special person yet, but just generally have had a good time. Unfortunately, my ideas on dating don't seem to be shared by most people, and it's been the cause of some frustration.
There are two major things that bother me about dating random people, and the first is specific to online dating: people who just want to talk. It's like look, I meet strangers all the time, in bars, on the street, wherever. I talk to those people. Meeting and talking to new people is a normal form of social interaction. I don't want to spend a month trying to get to know you online before you are comfortable meeting in person. This might be acceptable if you lived far away and meeting wasn't an option, but not when you live within easy driving distance. If you have some sort of social disorder where you are afraid to talk to me, I'm not going to enable you, go see a councilor. For both my safety and yours, we're meeting in a public place, so what's the big deal? Besides, until I've met you, I'm not going to tell you much about myself anyways. For all I know, maybe you're not that cute girl in the picture, maybe you're a 37 year old man, who is looking for some easy identity theft. You want to know where I work, where I go to school, about my family, who I hang out with? Until we've met- not gonna happen, and that makes it hard to get to know one another. Another key factor here is that I don't want to get to know you, start to like you, and then meet and find out that you've gained 100 lbs since your profile picture was taken. Not only have then I wasted a month getting to know you, but I'm heartbroken because I've fallen for a girl that doesn't exist. She exists inside of you. Somewhere. Maybe you ate her.
The other thing that frustrates me is the amount of time that people seem willing to go out and get to know someone before reaching a conclusion about that person. I think I can speak better here through a few examples.
- I went to lunch with a girl I met in a bar once. We sort of hit it off, after the bar we went to breakfast, and we ended up going to lunch between classes one day during the week, and later made plans for an actual date. She ended up working late, and our date got postponed, and when she showed up, she told me she was tired and had things to take care of, and so our date was shortened to just dinner. That was the last time I saw her, she told me that she didn't feel a connection.
- I met a girl online, we talked for bit online, and then on the phone. She lived in Indy, and I went there and took her out. We walked along the canal, got drinks, and talked a lot. Things seemed to go well, we kissed, and the over the next few nights, we would talk to each other on the phone until 5 or 6am. We had a date planned for the following Saturday, and she accepted my invitation to visit earlier and come up Friday night and stay that night. I was tired, from staying up and talking to her late every night, and so I didn't call her Thursday night. Friday, I had expected to hear from her, since she didn't know where I lived, and so 3 hours before she was supposed to be here, I sent her a message with directions. She replied that she was having second thoughts, and that I seemed to be too much for her.
Both situations left me feeling like I'd never even been given much of a chance. In the first situation, I found myself wondering what kind of connection she was expecting over dinner. I feel that connections are made when people are interacting, and doing something enjoyable- not over dinner, which I feel is more like an interview. In the second situation, despite the long phone calls, I feel like she really didn't get to know me at all. I'm the guy that invites friends over to play board games, and she felt that I was too wild, something just doesn't make sense there. I do go out a lot, but that's just because of what my current friends want to do. I took her out because staying in, ordering pizza, and playing board games, didn't seem to be formal enough for a date.
I don't know if it's just me, but I feel like you don't get to really know a person until after the third date. The first date gives you a first impression, and allows you to decide if you're attracted to the person. The second and third dates, you're still trying to impress the person, so you take them out and do something nice. You're also trying to decide if you're interested. After the third date, you have a pretty good idea of where things are going, and you scale back. You start to get comfortable with the other person, and instead of going out on a date, maybe you just stay in, order pizza, cuddle, and watch a movie. You start opening up to each other, and start to get to know what the person is really like- you've gotten past the exterior.
To me, it's simple, unless you're ugly or have kids, the first date is a freebie. I like going out and doing things, so your presence is really only required so that I don't feel like a loser who goes to dinner alone. Honestly, I might even go out with someone who had kids, so long as they understood that it was just for fun, and that I had no interest in being a baby daddy. If you're ugly- sorry, but I will have to look at you. After the first date, if you seem cool, we go out more. After the third date, I decide if you're the type of person that I'd like to have in my life, and get to know better. At some point after that, I decide if you're the type of person that I would want to be in a relationship with, and things go from there.
Is that not normal? Assuming they're attracted to me, am I asking too much by expecting that the person will actually get to know the real me before cutting me off? Is this whole third date thing totally out of line? Am I moving too slow by expecting connections to be formed, and not expecting love at first sight?
Tuesday, 28 April 2009
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Leitey's Guide to Making Small Talk
Well, I'm certainly no expert in the matter (so feel free to leave suggestions), I have a lot of trouble making idle conversation with people in a social setting. I used to be very shy, until I got to know you, and then I'd open up a bit. I'm getting better about it, and learning to make small talk has helped make that possible. It became easier once I realized that the entire process is just a method of exchanging stories.
Essentially there are three phases: 1) ask questions 2) tell a story 3) repeat.
The first part of small talk is to ask questions. Drop the cheesy canned pickup lines. You're looking for common ground, or rather, a topic to talk about. For the first few minutes, I keep it light. Initially, I like to start with a compliment, and a basic question. Say she's wearing a necklace with a dolphin on it. I might say something like: "Hey, that's a really cute necklace, where did you get it?"
Now you've asked a question, and initiated small talk. At this point, you're looking for a story. To use my necklace example, here are some possible responses:
-"Thanks! I found it at a store in California." Excellent! She's just given you a good topic for a potential story. Ask her what she was doing in California, or tell her about the time that you were shopping in California. The entire story may only be a minute long, but you've successfully found something to talk about!
-"Oh, I got it at Target". A more common answer. She's not really volunteering any information, so you'll have to keep asking questions to see if there's a story involved. Look for more detail: "Oh, do you like dolphins? We swam with some dolphins one time when we were in Florida." Now you've introduced the topics of dolphins and Florida. Hopefully she'll have a story about dolphins, or she'll ask you about your trip to Florida.
Remember to ask questions that open up for topics. You don't want short answers.
-"How was your weekend?"
"Fine."
-"What brings you out tonight?"
"I'm here with friends."
These usually aren't so good, but if you have reason to believe that there's a story behind them, you could try asking those same questions in a more open-ended fashion.
-"Did you do anything fun for Grand Prix weekend?"
"Well, Saturday we went out and got really drunk..."
-"What are you all dressed up for tonight?"
"It's my friend's birthday, we went out to dinner at this fancy restaurant..."
An alternative method is to open with a story. Remember that you need common ground before you tell a story. If something happens that reminds you of a story, share it, but remember to focus on things that are currently relevant. Unless she's wearing a BSOD shirt, if you walk up to her and start talking about your drive corruption and the hours you spent reformatting, she's going to excuse herself. If you just saw a fight, or a sweet car, you could talk about that. This method also work well in groups. You can walk into a conversation, wait until you have something to add, and then jump in. In this situation, the topic is already established for you.
The final step: Repeat. Your initial topic of conversation will probably only last a minute or two. Switch topics, or start over altogether with a new question. If you hit a dead end, ask another question. Once you start to become more comfortable with one another, the conversation will flow more naturally.
Practice making small talk. When you are out with your friends, try introducing yourself to their friends. Once you are comfortable with that, try going on dates with people to get a better grasp of things. Dates are a semi-captive audience, the other person doesn't wander off if the conversation reaches a dead end. Move on to practicing in bars- people there are usually expecting to be approached. Finally, make small talk with strangers in public. If you can walk up to a stranger in a grocery store, and leave feeling like you've made a new friend, you've mastered the art of small talk.
One word of warning: If you've tried talking to the person and are getting repeated one word answers, they're probably not interested. I would say that two or three failed attempts at getting them to open up is plenty. If you haven't got something started in the first minute, move on.
Monday, 27 April 2009
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Miss California
Although I may disagree with the position of Miss California, I applaud that she has the backbone to publicly give an unpopular opinion. Pageants are usually characterized by "blond bimbos" and ridiculous canned responses, so this was rather refreshing.
It's perfectly within her rights to disagree with the "popular" opinion- I use quotes because California just voted on gay marriage, and the majority voted against it. So, in reality, she was with the majority on this one. Despite that the Miss California board has publicly denounced her position, it would seem that the people of the state of California publicly agree with her.
I think it's kinda pathetic that people are attacking her religion (which she made no mention of).
I think it's sad that this is a big deal at all. If she had said something like "I support civil unions because I believe that the government privileges given to to a man and a woman should be available to everyone" nobody would have thrown a fit- just another canned response designed not to ruffle any feathers. I'm a bit disappointed with the intolerance of a society that makes a big deal over an unpopular opinion.
One more thing to ponder: Why is a gay man a judge for a female beauty pageant?
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